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with president putin my advice is to engage but beware. [ applause ] >> there is nothing inevitable about conflict between russia and the west and nothing unavoidable about retreating to the days of the cold war. but we should engage with russia from a position of strength, and we should build the relationship, systems and processes that make cooperation more likely than conflict. and that, particularly after the illegal annexation of crimea, give assurance to russia's neighboring states that their security is not in question. we should not jeopardize the freedoms that president reagan and mrs. thatcher brought to eastern europe by accepting president putin's claim that it is now in his sphere of influence. [ applause ]
[ applause ] [ applause ] and progress on this issue would also help secure another of his nation's priorities, to reduce iran's influence in the middle east. this is a priority for the uk too as we support our allies in the gulf states, to push back against iran's aggressive efforts to build an arc of influence from tehran through to the mediterranean. the nuclear deal with iran was controversial. but it has neutralized the possibility of the iranians acquiring nuclear weapons for more than a decade. it has seen iran remove 13,000 centrifuges together with associated infrastructure and eliminate its stock of 20% enriched uranium.
that was vitally important for regional security, but the agreement must now be carefully and rigorously policed and any breaches should be dealt with firmly and immediately. to deal with the threats of the modern world, we need to rebuild confidence in the institutions upon which we all rely. in part, that means multi-national institutions, because we know that so many of the threats we face today, global terrorism, climate change, organized crime, unprecedented mass movements of people, do not respect national borders. so, we must turn towards the multi-national institutions le e u.n. and nato and encourage international cooperation and partnership. those nult multinational institutions need to work for the countries that formed them and to serve the needs and interests of the people of those nations. they have no democratic mandate of their own. so i share your reform agenda
and believe that, by working together, we can make those institutions more relevant and purposeful than they are today. i call on others, therefore, to join us in that effort and ensure they step up and contribute as they should. that's why i have encouraged the new u.n. secretary general to pursuen a ambitious reform program focusing on the united nations core programs of peacekeeping. prevention and conflict resolution. and i have raised with the european leaders to deliver on the commitments to spend 2% of gdp on defense and 20% of defense budgets on equipment. it's also why i have already raised with the secretary general of nato the need to make sure the alliance is as equipped to fight terrorism and cyber warfare as it is to fight more
conventional forms of war. america's leadership in nato, supported by britain, must be the central element around which the alliance is built. but alongside this continued commitment i am also clear that eu nations must similarly step up to ensure this institution that provides the cornerstone of the west's defense continues to be as effective as it can be. yet the most important institution is and should always be the nation-state. strong nations form strong institutions, and they form the basis of the international partnerships and cooperation that bring stability to our world. nations, accountable to their populations. deriving, as the declaration of independence puts it, their just powers from the consent of the
governed. to join international organizations or not. they can choose to corporate with others or not, choose to trade with others or not. why is why if the countries of the european union wish to integrate further, my view is that they should be free to do so because that is what they choose. but britain, as a sovereign nation, with the same values but a different political and cultural history, has chosen to take a different path, because our history and culture is profoundly internationalist. we are a european country and proud of our shared european heritage, but we are also a country thatas always looked beyond europe to the wider world. we have ties of family, kinship and history to countries like india, pakistan. bangladesh, australia, canada, new zealand, countries across africa, the pacific and caribbean. and of course, we have ties of
kinship, language and culture to these united states too. [ applause ] as churchill put it. we speak the same language, kneel at the same altars and to a very large extent pursue the same ideals. and today increasingly, we have strong economic, commercial, defense and political relationships as well. so i am delighted that the new administration has made a trade agreement between our countries one of its earliest priorities. [ applause ] a new trade deal between britain and america must work for both sides and serve both of our national interests. it must help to grow our respective economies and to
provide the high-skilled, high-paid jobs of the future for working people across america and across the uk. and it must work for those who have too often felt left behind by the forces of globalization. people, often those on modest incomes, living in relatively rich countries like our own, who feel that the global system of free markets and free trade is simply not working for them in its current form. such a deal, aligned with the reforms we are making to our own economies to ensure wealth and opportunity is spread acros our land can demonstrate to those who feel locked out and left behind that free markets, free economies and free trade can deliver the brighter future they need. and it can maintain, indeed it can build, support for the rules-based international system on which the stability of our world continues to rely.
the uk is already america's fifth largest export destination. your markets account for almost a fifth of global exports from our shores. exports to the uk from the state of pennsylvania alone account for more than $2 billion a year. the uk is the largest -- somebody from pennsylvania! [ laughter ] >> the uk is the largest market in the eu and the third largest market in the world for exporters here. america is the largest single destination for uk outward investment and the single largest investor in the uk. your companies are investing or expanding in the uk at the rate of more than 10 projects a week. british companies employ people in every u.s. state from texas to vermont. and the uk/u.s. defense relationship is the broadest, deepest and most advanced of any two countries, sharing military hardware and expertise. and of course, we have recently
invested in the new f-35 strike aircraft for our new aircraft carrie carriers that will secure our naval presence and increase our ability to project our power around the world for years to come. because of these strong economic and commercial links, and our shared history and the strength of our relationship, i look forward to pursuing talks with president trump and his new administration about a new uk/u.s. free trade agree in the coming months. it will take detailed work, but we welcome your openness to these discussions and hope we can make progress so that the new global britain that emerges after brexit is even better equipped to take its place confidently in the world. such -- [ applause ] such an agreement would see us taking that next step in the special relationship that exists
between us, cementing and affirming one of the greatest forces for progress this world has ever known. 70 years ago in 1946, churchill proposed a new phase in this relationship, to win a cold war that many had not even realized had started. he described how an iron curtain fell covering all the capitals of the ancient states of central and eastern europe. budapest, belgrade, bucharest. today the great cities, homes of great culture and heritage, live in freedom and peace. and they do so because of the leadership of britain and america and of mrs. thatcher and president reagan. [ applause ]
they do so ultimately because our ideas will always prevail. and they do so because, when the world demands leadership, it is this alliance of values and interests, this special relationship between two countries, that is, to borrow the words of another great american statesman, enters the arena with our faces marred by dust and sat and blood, to strive valiantly and know the triumph of high achievement. as we renew the promise of our nations to make them stronger at home, in the words of president reagan, as a sleeping giant stirs, so let us renew the relationship that can lead the world towards the promise of freedom and prosperity, marked out in parchment by those
ordinary citizens, 240 years ago. so that we may not be counted with a cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat, but with those who strive to do the deeds that will lead us to a better world. that better future is within reach. together we can build it. thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> she is theresa may, the prime minister of great britain. she has just finished addressing republicans. lasting about 40 minutes there. she is being greeted enthusiastically and warmly by the crowd as she exits the stage. joining us now in new york.
i'm steve cor i i'm steve kornacki. here is pier simmons. theresa may is the prime minister because of a trump-like shock that hit britain a few months ago. the brexit. causing david cameron to resign. she became the new prime minister. she is familiar with the same political currents that propelled donald trump. what kind of message did you hear her delivering there? >>eels like britain and the u.s. are hand in hand in this, in many ways and yet at the same time, steve, what a difference in style you saw there. i have known her for many years. most americans will be seeing her for the first time. and they may be saying studious, serious, maybe a little boring world leader, standing there and setting out a vision. she i think would like to see
herself intellectualizing the nations going out and free trading and pushing aside multi-national deals and getting in there and fighting for their own trade in a kind of free market around the world. she referenced reagan and thatcher. that's not a mistake. that's the kind of relationship she would like to have with the white house, with president trump. but also, by the way, and the british will have been watching, a number of things she said that will be maybe a point of difference with the trump white house, saying about russia, engage, she says, but beware, talking about the iran deal and really suggesting that she thinks that that deal is a good thing for world peace. talking about islam as a majority peaceful religion and saying that -- talking about hundreds of millions of adherents including millions of our own citizens who are peaceful. there are messages in this speech, talking about nato and
its crucial importance to western peace. so there are messages in this speech that she will be directing at the white house. the question is this. this is fine. and the next few days will be interesting to see how the two leaders get on. what happens when there really is a difference on one of those issues. how does america's closest ally deal with that? that's when you get into the real difficulty of it. >> i did notice she used that -- while talking about terrorism she used the term "radical islamic terrorism." that got applause from the cloud. that -- crowd. republicans have said president obama and others not using that term. there was applause from the republicans in the audience at what she said about russia and putin. there are some republicans who are uneasy with donald trump and his posture towards russia. talk about the issue of trade, if you will. britain pulling out now because
of the referendum they had last year. they are leaving the european union. that will be one of her jobs as prime minister. when the vote was taken last year, the brexit vote, president obama at the time basically said to britain in the runup to it, go ahead and do this. if you do, don't expect us to turn around and cut a new deal with you. donald trump, meanwhile, when it happened said, hey, i think it's a good thing. in the terms of u.s. and britain having some kind of special trade deal, is that now sort of a top agenda item between the countries? >> for britain it's not a top agenda item it is the only agenda item. this is huge for britain. this is an important visit. it's important for the u.s. too. it's donald trump's opportunity to stand up as a statesman, meeting his first world leader as president. for britain it -- it is very important because, if britain can get a trade deal, the prospect of a trade deal with the u.s., it changes their negotiations with the european union. it puts pressure on the european union.
of course, washington needs to bear that in mind, keep that in mind, because it has an effect on their -- on the u.s. relationships with all of the other european countries. for britain, yeah, it is absolutely a crucial point. it will be really difficult negotiations between britain and europe. it's interesting. at the same time you see the issues now developing between the u.s. and mexico and questions of whether there will be tariffs imposed. that's the same kind of threat that the europeans are making to britain saying, if you leave europe and throw us aside we'll put tariffs on your trade. there are so many similarities. what theresa may is trying to say there is we're in this together. and like thatcher and reagan, we will lead the world to a changed world. that's what she would like to see. that's what president trump would like to see. but they're walking knthrough a minefield. >> trade and borders major themes in the election and going forward for the administration
and around the world. nbc's keir simmons, thank you for joining us and helping us break it down a little bit. busy afternoon. more news to tell you about. talk about trade, borders, some news in the last few minutes white house spokesman sean spicer seeming to suggest how donald trump may be planning to pay for the wall along our southern border. telling reporters that a tax on imports uld coverhe cost. take a listen to what he said. >> you tax that 50%, $50 billion, at 20% of imports, which is, by the way, a practice that 160 other countries do right now. our country's policy is to tax exports and let imports flow freely in, which is ridiculous. by doing it that way we can do $10 billion a year and easily pay for the wall. >> spicer's comments coming hours after donald trump reiterated his commitment to having mexico pay for the wall, an issue that's apparently led to the cancelation of next week's long planned meeting in washington between trump and the
president of mexico. spicer's comments come after paul ryan yesterday said congress would put up the initial money for the wall. he estimated the total cost at $8 billion to $14 billion. it is unclear if ryan had this tax on imports in mind as a funding mechanism. kristen welker is at the white house with more on this. we're getting the comments from sean spicer. talk us through a little bit about what exactly he has in mind there and how we should interpret this. is this a formal declaration of policy, how he's going to pay for it? or is he floating an idea here? how do you interpret it? >> reporter: that's the big question we're trying to determine. we have asked the white house if this is, in fact, now going to be policy or if this is something that sean spicer and the white house are just floating. we haven't gotten a response yet. bottom line, if you slapped a 20% tax on imports, the concern would be that that would ultimately drive up the price of
the goods here at home. that has businesses already expressing some concern. and the white house getting the question, does this not mean that ultimately american taxpayers are going to bear the burden or effectively going to pay for this border wall. are you not, in essence, robbing peter to by paul? the white house says that's not the case, that ultimately the burden will still fall on mexico. look, steve, this is a striking day. the fact that you have the president of mexico canceling his first visit with the newly elected american president, just a few days, several days, before it was set to take place is striking. it represents, really, an unprecedented rift or a rift that we haven't seen between the two nations in quite some time. to put it into context, mexico is the united states' third largest trading partner. and of course also they deal with a whole host of other issues from immigration on down the line. so this is undoubtedly going to
complicate the united states' relationship with mexico. clearly president trump trying to start off on taking a very strong stance. remember, he has also said he wants to renegotiate nafta. the question becomes how does he renegotiate that trade deal with mexico when there is currently this rift between them and how will mexico respond to this 20% tax. a lot of unanswered questions. bottom line, though, this is roiling one of the united states' relationships with one of its most important allies. >> talk us through a little bit more about how exactly this played out, the canceling of the meeting. donald trump was threatening on twitter earlier in the day saying, if you don't want to pay for the wall, don't come to the meeting. the mexican president said, okay, i'm not coming to the meeting. the white house says this is a mutual thing. some people who have been studying trump have said you should view most of his actions through the lens of negotiation.
trying to take a hard-line posture at the outset. is that what the white house is trying to say here, this is a negotiating tactic? >> reporter: they are in essence. he wrote the book, the art of th deal. sean spicer w insistent that the two cntries are still in communication and that they do want to try to reschedule this meeting just to take our viewers back to how this all started, yesterday the president of mexico really had a -- to the news that president trump was signing this executive order that effectively green-lighted the construction of building the wall. he said it was offensive to him, to the people of mexico. and he insisted he was not going to pay for the wall. he is under a lot of pressure, by the way, steve. his approval ratings not very high. and a lot of folks within his country, within mexico, wanted him to respond in kind with a
strong retort to this border wall, which they see as so offensive. that's why you have the president of mexico threatening to cancel the meeting last night and then president trump with the tweets today saying, well, maybe it is better if we cancel the meeting, and then ultimately we have this cancelation. take a listen to what president trump had to say about it earlier today. >> the president of mexico and myself have agreed to cancel our planned meeting scheduled for next week. unless mexico is going to treat the united states fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless, and i want to go a different route. >> reporter: president trump trying to cast this as a mutual agreement, but the president of mexico said it was all his idea. sean spicer was pressed on this and said, no, it is mutual. bottom line is they're saying the lines of communication are still open. by the way, dhs secretary kelly
was scheduled to have a meeting with a top official within the mexican government. that was canceled as well. underscoring the fact that there is now a rift between the two nations. thas some within the republican party and democrats certainly concerned because, of course, all along there were concerns about how a president trump would be able to maintain relations with the united states' closest allies. steve. >> kristen welker at the white house. thanks for that. meanwhile. kasie hunt is at the republican congressional retreat in philadelphia. you heard theresa may talking. donald trump was there before her earlier this afternoon. kasie hunt joins us now. one of the best sort of commentaries i have heard about donald trump and in his election victory, what it represented, it was essentially an independent candidate staging a takeover of the republican party, meaning he ran on some issues republicans are traditionally comfortable with but also introduced new issues that are not traditional
republican issues. when he showed up today with the congressional republicans and laid out what his agenda is going to be, what were they comfortable with and what did they have reservations about? >> reporter: steve, part of this, i think, is that there is a general culture clash between donald trump and his politics and personality and the gop conference in the house and senate as we have known it. they are simply, you know, very different personality-wise. that's part of why you're seeing trump bonding with chuck schumer than the other republicans. trump's speech today was well received because he steered clear or almost clear of a lot of the notes that have ruffled feathers with republicans and focused on things where they have common ground. torture was been a big issue. trump made the comments and interviews over the course of the last 24 hours. republicans have said, look,
torture is illegal. we want it to stay this way. alsohe issue of voter fraud. trump touched on it briefly in his speech. the republicans said, he was pretty light about it, it was not the main focus here. so i think it made them feel a little bit better, most of them don't want to revisit the popular vote here. you know, part of what's so difficult for this congress and for donald trump is that donald trump, he alluded to this in the speech. he very much likes simple, easy-to-explain solutions that cut through the noise and go straight to the american people. it's part of why, when we were talking about this, how to pay for the border wall. for donald trump it's simple. we'll explain it by saying we're going to tax mexico at the rate of 20%. imports from mexico. 20% tax. seems relatively easy to understand. if you actually dig into the details of the republican policy proposal, it's incredibly complicated. and so you are seeing a lot of friction there between trump and
the republicans who will actually have to execute these policies. >> kasie hunt in philadelphia. again, that's where congressional republicans are holding their retreat right now. thank you for that. joining me now chris cillizza, nbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" fix blog. let me put this on the screen. a new poll from quinnipiac. approval rating for donald trump. they put it at 36% right now. i guess, in one sense, it's no surprise, donald trump won i think 46% of the vote in the election. always been a very polarizing figure. he is pursuing a very ambitious agenda very early in his presidency, what do you make of the initial reading? >> yeah, i think we are having an audio issue there. let me just make sure it wasn't just me. it was you at home too. we'll work on that and try to get him back. we're also keeping an eye on
another developing story. we are expecting an announcement from the white house of more executive action, this time focusing on the issue of voter fraud. the president, again, claiming this week that millions of votes were illegally cast in the election. no evidence, no proof has been put forward. apparently there will be an announcement from the white house. quick break and back with more after this. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.
we're going to protect the integrity of the ballot box and defend the votes of the american citizens. so important. >> as donald trump just a few hours ago, talking to congressional republicans at their retreat in philadelphia, reiterating that he intends to take action on the issue of voter fraud. we are looking at the white house right now. we are doing that because we are awaiting an announcement from the president inside the white house any minute now. we have been told. on that subject. again, the white house, the president, saying this week the president believes at least that millions of votes were illegally
cast in the 2016 election. they've offered no proof nor evidence of any fraud on any scale anywhere approaching that. but the president is expected to announce some sort of executive action, apparently maybe launching an investigation. the details we'll find out. in the meantime we have our audio issues worked out. back to chris cillizza. thanks for being patient. sorry about the technical issue there. i'll go back to where we were a minute ago. let me start on the issue of voter fraud because we are waiting for an announcement here. donald trump, sounded like something he might have just said in passing the other day. now he intends to pursue this and make it a major point of emphasis in the early days of his presidency. we're not sure exactly what he's going to address. what do you make of this decision to go down this road? >> many people would say a muted chris cillizza is the best kind
of chris cillizza. your rating may have spiked in that brief period. >> then they have to listen to me. i don't know. >> the most important thing you said there, there is no evidence of this. that's not because peopleidt look, right? when i talk to people about voter fraud, they say, well, i know someone who cast a ballot here and cast a ballot there. that does absolutely happen. we're talking about hundreds of millions of votes. wide-scale voter fraud is not your neighbor voted at the wrong ballot box. that happens. that happens, right? the issue is widespread, purposeful voter fraud. there is no evidence of it. if donald trump does have an investigation of this that's run out of his administration and it finds what every other investigation in this and past elections have found, no widespread voter fraud, what does he do then?
>> all sorts of questioning about the scope of the investigation, how they would exactly define fraud or potential fraud. on the other side you have republicans, donald trump at least saying widespread voter fraud. you have had concerns expressed mainly from democrats about the new laws many states have passed, the voter i.d. laws saying that's resulting in people being wrongly denied access to the ballots. a question whether that would be part of any succession here that trump announces. we are waiting for the announcement. we'll bring it to you when it comes. i asked you before the break. put it back up on the screen. we have this afternoon a new quinnipiac poll. they've got his approval rating at 36%. look, you compare it to the early days of past presidents. this will be lower. i get the sense that with donald trump and his team, they take these things in ride. >> yeah, which is weird because donald trump is -- no one is more obsessed about poll numbers than donald trump, right? we learned that in the campaign.
what's weird about this, steve, is everything about what donald trump -- how he got elected, who he is, how he managed the transition and how he's managed the first six days, is outside of the box of what we know. except that, like many presidents, he appears to try to push most of the things that are controversial, may not sort of have the majority support, in the early days of his presidency. most do it within the first hundred days. he has pushed a lot in the first six days. it's not terribly surprising. politicians use the first two years to get what they want to get done and the second two years selling it to the country, moderating, making the case. barack obama. economic stimulus and affordable care in the first two years and the second two years, trying to sell all of that. in a way it's not that different. it's the pace at which he has moved. there is an exhaustion element
here. theresa may coming is a giant story on any other day. then we have the mexican president, how that went down, the voting fraud investigation, him speaking to members -- republican members of congress. the supreme court nomination. it's a flood of information, strategic, seat-of-the-pants, i don't know. but this is the hallmark of the early days of the trump presidency. >> chris cillizza. thank you for the time. >> thank you, my friend. service union members in boston are rallying in protest of president trump's executive orders on immigration announced yesterday. that includes his threat to cut off federal funding from so-called sanctuary cities. this comes as boston's mayor marty walsh slammed the order yesterday, one of a number of democratic mayors speaking out. he joins us next.
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for years the media has largely ignored the stories of americans and lawful residents victimized by open borders. to all of those hurting out there, i repeat to you these words. we hear you. we see you. and you will never, ever be ignored again. >> president trump yesterday on families of victims of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants. these are known as angel families. he referred to one family in particular. that's the family of 32-year-old kate steinle, shot and killed in 2015 by an undocumented imgrant who had been deported from the united states five times. he had seven felony convictions on his record. immigration officials requested he be detained for deportation baen, but san francisco, which is a so-called sanctuary city,
did not comply with the request. that story is part of the basis for a new executive action that donald trump initiated yesterday. it threatens to cut off federal funding to these so-called sanctuary cities. that includes san francisco. also new york and chicago. the mayors there have promised to stand firm in their non-compliance with federal immigration authorities despite the threats from president trump to yank their funding. the mayor of boston also saying he won't join in with trump's request. he went so far as to say, quote, i will use all my power within lawful means to protect all boston residents, even if that means using city hall itself as a last resort. boston mayor marty walsh is with me now. thanks for joining me. i appreciate it. that quote, i think obviously, people who may be on the other side of this issue than you are certainly will be maybe upset about that. let's be clear up front. who are you talking about here? when you say i'll open the doors of city hall.
i'll open my office, who are you exactly talking about? >> i am talking about immigrants here undocumented that are working, they're -- they've brought children here, children brought here by their parents. families that have kids born in america that are american citizens, law-abiding people. not people who are committing felonies, not people who are killing people, drunk driving. all of those different categories we will work with the federal authority. we have worked with the federal authority. i am talking about misdemeanor crimes, just having somebody working in the city of boston, working the city of boston. i was in a school today in east boston where there is a high central american population. one of the young kids in the class said to me -- came up to me and she said, are you going to help us from -- from people being thrown out of the country? there is a lot of fear out there. a lot of folks are here, brought by their parents or born here and their parents are undocumented. those are the people i am worried about protecting. >> it seems like there is a gray
area here. you are saying felonies -- i think you said drunk driving. i don't think it counts as a felony in massachusetts. >> in the case of drunk driving, with a homicide. with a murder. somebody killed from drunk driving. >> donald trump is using this case, and i think a lot of people on the other side of you on this issue use the case out of san francisco, the kate steinle case to make their point. how would the city of boston have handled the case? somebody deported from the country a number of times. in custody on a marijuana possession charges. the charges were dropped. immigration basically said, hold him for a day or two so we can get him and the city said no and the murder happened. would boston have detained him at the request of immigration authorities? >> in a case like that, if the federal government requested it, we would have detained him. the problem is that the gentleman got back into the country five times. that's the problem, border control and border patrol. building a wall is not necessarily the answer to it.
what has to happen in washington, d.c., the congress and senate have had the opportunity to work on comprehensive reforms for immigration and there is an opportunity here. i think that people can -- what happened in san francisco is a horrible situation. what happened in san francisco. but this gentleman got back into the country five times. how does that happen? >> what would you say to the -- i think this is out there, i think a lot of people have this view. so i am curious what you would say to somebody who says, look, i am a united states citizen, i pay taxes, i have a job in this country. i hear that a city knows that somebody is not in this country legally, knows that somebody is not a citizen of this country, and has committed some sort of a crime. misdemeanor, it's not a felony but committed some crime. how can the city in good conscience not have that person leave the country? >> let me just address the question. you can't -- you can't assume that every single person that's here that's undocumented is a criminal and have committed a crime. that's not the case. it hasn't happened. i think that we're picking the
worst cases, which pulls on the heartstrings of people. family members have lost loved ones. you are picking on the worst cases of what's happening here. i am not saying you. but the media, people in general. that's not the issue here. the issue is people who are here, who were brought by parents, people born here and their parents are here undocumented. there is a larger majority of people who are immigrants in this country who don't commit crime, who never have any interaction with the police, never deal with the police. they're working and trying to raise a family. those are the folks i am talking about. everyone seems to automatically go to and the president alluded to it yesterday. people who commit crimes. of course we feel for those families and we feel the families should not have felt the loss in the beginning. you can't paint everyone with a broad brush that every single undocumented person in the united states of america is a criminal and belongs in jail. it's not a fair assessment. >> boston mayor marty walsh.
thank you for taking a few minutes. appreciate it. >> thank you. we are keeping an eye on the white house. we are expecting any minute now to hear from president trump. he'll be issuing another executive order. i am not sure if it will actually be technically an executive order. maybe executive action that he is taking, but this one will be on the issue of voter fraud. the president says he believes millions of votes were cast illegally in the last election in this country. he has produced no proof nor evidence to support that claim. apparently he'll be announcing an investigation of some sort. we will bring you that as soon as he reveals it. quick break here. stay tuned. back after this. rodney and his new business. he teaches lessons to stanley... and that's kind of it right now. but rodney knew just what to do...he got quickbooks. it organizes all his accounts, so he knows where he stands in an instant. ahhh...that's a profit. which gave him the idea to spend a ttle cash on some brilliant marketing! ha, clever. wow, look at all these new students!
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we've been looking at the white house, waiting for word on more executive action. peter alexander learning that because of a delay in donald trump's return to the white house and other scheduled meeting that executive action calling for a voter fraud investigation will now be signed not today but tomorrow or saturday. again, it was expected to take place sometime this afternoon. sometime around now. now the white house telling us it will be tomorrow or saturday. > we've also learned more details on an executive action that donald trump signed yesterday. this one kicking off the process to build a wall on the border with mexico. white house press secretary sean spicer had suggested the funding for the wall might come in the form of a 20% import tax. now he is clarifying to nbc news that that is not a formal policy proposal from the white house.
that is simply an example of how the wall could be funded. with me to talk more about this and much more, michael steele, msnbc political analyst. former chairman of the republican national committee and bill press, host of the bill press show. bill, let me start with you. so much -- >> i am laughing because it does seem like they're flying by the seat of their pants. >> it is. nobody -- i think the press, i think his own party in philadelphia, doesn't quite know what to make of the strategy here. there is so much that's out there right now. one thing that is out there, it's the issue of mexico. it's the issue of paying for the wall. and building the wall in the first place. we did see paul ryan, the house speaker, he now seems to be on board with this. saying, look, congress will come up with the money. how should democrats treat the issue? because on one hand they ridiculed it during the campaign but trump did win on this message. >> i think what democrats ought to do is continue to let republicans fall all over
themselves and fight among themselves on this wall. i think it's pretty embarrassing. first of all, look, i don't believe in the tooth fairy. mexico is not going to pay for this wall. period. it won't happen. donald trump would never make a deal as a businessman where he would spend $15 billion on a promise that somebody else would pay him to build that building. would not happen. now what i find, the republicans -- it can't happen without congress. here you have republicans in congress -- remember -- who demanded offsets before they would put emergency funding for tornadoes in the south or hurricane sandy. now they're saying, oh, yeah, we'll throw $15 billi at this wall and build it on donald trump's prose that mexico is going to repay. i think it's first foreign policy initiative and he laid an egg. >> michael steele, let me ask you about that. if donald trump -- now, first of all, we are getting suggestions now from trump from the folks around him and spicer putting one out there that maybe there are other ways to pay for this, maybe other ways to get mexico to pay for it. they may talk about looking at
money already to mexico and shut that up and say that's how they pay for it. my question is, the base who elected donald trump. the folks chanting build the wall and shouting mexico will pay for it. does he have leeway with them for anything short of mexico cuts a check for the wall? >> very little. he cemented that branding right in there. he was very hard and adamant on that. it wasn't until later in the campaign and certainly in the general election when you began to hear, steve, this kind of wiggle room. well, we'll negotiate with mexico. we'll pay for it first, and then they'll reimburse us. this whole line of conversation. i think what they need to do is shut up. i think what they need to do is shut up talking about it, go sit down, with the house and the senate, formulate the policy, right, and then come back and
lay that out there very succinctly and clearly so there is no guessing about what the president is going to do. what you see happening now with republicans, it's almost like sort of the stockholm syndrome. they are caught. they don't know what to do. they're sort of caving on stuff that they would not have caved in on six months ago! and so the reality of it is, this big spending, you know, process that republicans seem to be buying into, i don't know how well it's going to sit with rank-and-file conservatives in the house who are budget hawks, who came to the congress with the mandate, you don't spend a dollar unless that dollar can be found someplace in the budget to spend. so good luck. >> steve, if i can, obviously in the last half hour, trying to figure out what this 20% import tax would be all about, because it's more complicated. it sounds like a silver bullet. it's really complicated. a lot of the products coming from mexico are like parts for american cars. what does that mean? it means the price of american
cars goes up. or american workers who depend on that. it's a complicated issue. they throw it out there. half an hour later they're saying, oh, don't take it seriously. we were just throwing out on idea. i think the chairman is right. they don't really have the -- they have not thought this through. it's policy by tweet. >> speaking of that, curious, michael steele, what you think of this. apparently tomorrow or saturday trump will announce an investigation on voter fraud, what do you think he expects it will produce? >> exactly what's happening right now, you talking about it. it's a rabbit hole that a lot of folks in the media especially, it's particularly designed for them to go down. don't take the bait. ignore it. there is no investigation to investigate. there is nothing here. this is like investigating air. so the reality of it is, it's one more distraction point. it's one more thing for everyone else to get ginned up and talk about. but it is -- as a matter of substance and a matter of law
and certainly as a matter of fact, there is nothing there for the administration to go after. i would think that at this point in time, not only would other independent bodies corroborate and confirm that there was something there, but even inside the government itself there would have been some sort of display that there is something serious for us here to investigate. >> we have to go to a break. 15 seconds. bill press. >> here is what i feared. they're pivoting from the outrageous claim tha 4.5 millio people voted for hillary clinton illegally to voter suppression. they'll use it as an opportunity to reduce the opportunities for people to vote. >> will states file a suit on this? michael steele and bill press. thank you for the time. quick break and back after this. , or fill a big order
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all right. that's going to do it for this hour. i am steve kornacki in new york. "mtp daily" starts right now. woo! what a thursday! so if it's thursday, it's a possible trade war with mexico, an investigation into alleged voter fraud. and a declaration of war. good evening. i am chuck todd here in washington. welcome to an extraordinarily busy "mtp daily." folks, this ain't your father's republican party. it's trump's party now. how long does this hold? how long do republicans on capitol hill go along? president trump is aggressively moving to reshape the gopn